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The following is the full transcript of the interview with Govs. Laura Kelly of Kansas, Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Mike Braun of Indiana and Mike DeWine of Ohio that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Feb. 22, 2026.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Every year, America’s governors gather here in Washington, and we’re joined now by Kansas Democrat Laura Kelly, Kentucky Democrat Andy Beshear, Ohio Republican Mike DeWine and Indiana Republican Mike Braun. Thank you all for being here and having a bipartisan conversation, they are rare these days, and we enjoy them. I- There’s so much to talk about, but I need to start on this big decision from the Supreme Court, because it has a huge impact on the economy, including in many of your states. It was a 6-3 ruling from the court that President Trump exceeded his authority when he imposed tariffs on certain items by using this 1977 law. A dozen states and a handful of small businesses had sued over these tariffs, which is how it ended up in the courts in the first place. So let me start with you, Governor Kelly, what impact will this have on your state? Do you know yet?<\/p>\n

GOVERNOR LAURA KELLY: I don’t know the specifics, but I’m hopeful, optimistic, that it will settle some of the issues that we have, particularly in our agricultural industry. You know, they’ve been hit very, very hard by these tariffs, and I’m hoping that this court decision will reverse some of those and allow them to get back to business again.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Beshear, Kentucky bourbon, had been hit hard by those retaliatory tariffs. Does this ruling do much for that industry, or, more broadly, for your state?<\/p>\n

GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR: I hope so. Tariffs are a tax on the American people. We’ve seen studies that show that 90% of these tariffs are being borne by American business. Those are all in our states, as well as our people. We’ve seen parts of the economy slow down because of it. It can add 30% more cost to a major new construction project, which could slow down new jobs coming to our communities. Bourbon has been hit hard, and now this is the second straight time, and this is from a state where both of our U.S. senators and this governor, despite being in different parties, are all against tariffs.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor Braun, for you, what are you seeing out in Indiana? Because we checked the stats and it looked like your auto and machinery manufacturing have lagged a bit. The Indiana business review says your farmers were hit hard by retaliatory tariffs. Is this going to bring relief?<\/p>\n

GOVERNOR MIKE BRAUN:\u00a0 So Indiana’s along with Wisconsin, the two biggest states per capita manufacturing, so tariffs would have been a plus due to the industries that have been kind of hollowed out. You look at Gary, Indiana, that was the largest, second largest city in Indiana. Steel goes overseas. I think the key is-is trade has to be fair and free, and from the Marshall Plan through rebuilding the global economy, we did some things that got that out of balance. I mean, we were in a trillion dollar, give or take, annual deficit in trade, $2 trillion on our fiscal account. That turns you into a debtor nation. So ideally, through reciprocity, you get things down and even free and fair and get back on an even playing field over those 40-50, years, it got imbalanced, and I think that’s where Trump was coming from.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: But the court said he over, over reached\u2013<\/p>\n

[CROSS TALK]<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: Well, that’s that’s a constitutional issue, and\u2013<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: And you’re going to have to deal with it.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: In your state, though you said you believed this theory, that it might actually help bring back some of those manufacturing jobs. Did you see that it did any of that?<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: Yes, it was starting, I mean, the amount of investment that’s coming back to this country that whooshed out of it, that created chronic trade deficits, that needs to be rectified. And you can do that through tariffs. You can do it through trade negotiations, and we were going the wrong way for a long time.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you think this is a negative?<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: I think the other ways to continue what’s already occurred, it’ll be interesting with the countries they’ve already done deals with, whether they’ll try to renege. I got a feeling a lot of them will stay put with the trade deals they put in place.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Governor DeWine for you in Ohio, the Cleveland Fed said the tariffs drove price increases across multiple sectors in your state, including in manufacturing and including in retail. Do you believe their analysis, or do you believe the President’s analysis?<\/p>\n

GOVERNOR MIKE DEWINE: First of all, Margaret, I don’t think we know what’s going to happen\u2013<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Now after this ruling?\u00a0<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: You know, look, the President, I’m sure, is going to look for any way he can to basically go back and do-do this-\u00a0<\/p>\n

[CROSSTALK]<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: He pretty much said that, right, at 10% global tariffs.\u00a0<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: One of the dissents certainly said he had the authority to do it. We’ll have to see. So I don’t think anybody knows. It’s been mixed for us. I think you know, for agriculture, particularly soybeans, for example, it was not, it was not helpful. But we are, we are a manufacturing state. And I think one of the things that we learned all of us who were governors at the time during Covid Is that the supply chains, we got to make more- We’re not- we’re broken. We have to make more things back here in the United States, but I think that’s a general feeling of the, of the public. So I think as- as a manufacturing state, you know, we’re seeing some new investment coming in. It’s hard to tell sometimes. Do you attribute it to the fact that they now have to be investing more and don’t want to have the tariffs or not? But my feeling is that we’re getting a lot that’s coming in because frankly, because of those tariffs.\u00a0<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: But the administration also says, though, that those manufacturing jobs are going to be replaced by robots, right? That we’re going through a huge technological shift, that we’re moving forward towards non human manufacturing.<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: We’ve been doing that, We’ve been doing that for decades\u2013<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: So how do you explain that to your state when you go home?<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: And for companies, for companies to be efficient, they have to do that. But that doesn’t mean they’re not employing people. That doesn’t mean they’re not selling so, you know, we want our businesses to survive, and they will use the tech, the new technology that’s not new, that’s been going on for a long time.<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: And Margaret, real quickly. I ran a business for 37 years before I got into the Senate, and technology is something we’ve woven into our own business, distribution, logistics. It creates jobs in many ways. What AI is going to do, where you take a lot of the mundane things that just take a lot of time, it’s hard to tell where it goes, but if it increases productivity, it’s going to be a blessing. And that’s really how you bring prices down in the long run.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me quickly ask you both, since you were in the room at the White House when the President was passed this note that the Supreme Court had just ruled, did he give you any sense of what he’s going to do next? Was it exactly what he said from the White House podium, or was it different?<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: It was very quick, frankly, you know, he expressed his displeasure. He read it first to everyone to express some displeasure\u2013<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: Took questions, and left.<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: Yeah, and said, basically, I have to go out and get ready to give a speech. And that’s, then he left.<\/p>\n

GOV. BESHEAR: Margaret, my hope is that this decision stops the chaos in how these tariffs are being implemented. Because business needs stability. Trade needs stability. And if a president can wield this authority that he was trying to, then you see the chaos we’ve seen, where we had, first across the board, then reciprocal tariffs, then industry specific tariffs, then we had tariffs on a- on a country for non economic reasons. What this should say is the President has to go to Congress. We have former members of Congress here and actually work it through in a thoughtful way.<\/p>\n

GOV. KELLY: And what I’d like to see is I do think there are ways that the President can work around this and get where he wants to go on tariffs. I’m hoping, though, that the approach will be, what about his tariff policy before worked, you know, in the manufacturing arena, for instance, but where did it not work? And be very careful when you’re looking at what impact it has on small businesses and agriculture. So I hope whatever comes next is more thoughtful.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well and- and they’re not going away, right? The President did announce at the White House podium a 10% global tariff above the normal tariffs, and he’s talking about these temporary authorities. So the story is still developing at this point, no doubt. But is\u2013<\/p>\n

GOV. BESHEAR: Is this a story of him potentially defying his own Supreme Court?<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is a great question that I would love to put to that to the President and perhaps some members of his administration. But on this, broadly speaking, I don’t hear one clear view from you that you would ask the president to hold off. It sounds like, in some ways, you governor, thought maybe the tariffs are working in certain sectors.<\/p>\n

GOV. KELLY: I wasn’t- I wasn’t trying to come across this as a-as a proponent of the tariffs at all. No, I, you know, I was probably the only Democratic governor who actually signed on to the USMCA, the trade agreement between Canada and Mexico and the United States. Those are our two biggest trading partners. That was working really well for us.\u00a0<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: That was in the first Trump administration.<\/p>\n

GOV. KELLY: Exactly. And so, you know, I’d like to get back to doing business that way. But if you know, just given the reality of who’s President right now and what likely to come, if we can’t go back to that exactly, then you know, then what I said before about let’s if there were any good things that came out of the approach he took to tariffs, let’s focus on that, but let’s not reinsert all of the things that were really horrible.<\/p>\n

GOV. DEWINE: Margaret, I think you’re going to see the President remain a tough negotiator. He’ll figure out a way to do that. You know, we all believe in free trade, but I think that we have not let countries run over us, to some extent in the past, and I think the President was correct in that regard. Did it all work out? No. Some of them did. Maybe some of them did not. But I think that being tough a negotiator. I think the vast majority of the American people want to see a tough negotiator.<\/p>\n

GOV. BESHEAR: But my concern is that these other countries aren’t paying the tariffs. We are. 90% percent of all the costs borne by American families and American businesses, at a time when people struggle just to get by to pay the bills at the end of the month, this is adding $1,000 plus in costs.<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: And on the other hand, in the big picture, you cannot become a debtor nation because you’re nursing a chronic trade deficit and fiscal deficit.<\/p>\n

MARGARET BRENNAN: Isn’t that your old job, though, over in Congress?<\/p>\n

GOV. BRAUN: But try getting 60 senators to agree to anything, and we had to do all that through reconciliation. But the- where we’re headed as a country, and that is my background, finance, macro economics, we’re on a bad business plan because we’re turning into a debtor nation in our trading account and in our fiscal account, and that wouldn’t sell well in Kentucky or Indiana.<\/p>\n

GOV. BESHEAR: But if we allow a president to do this, he can tax the American people on his own, without Congress.<\/p>\n

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